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2007 I cannot stress enough to you who are considering going to this guy to NOT BRING YOUR WALLET! When I went there they seemed to only want my money, the office staff is extremely unprofessional, (they cannot even speak correctly let alone know what is going on) and the 'doc' was rude when I said I want to think about this. Beware and look out because this guy also has close ties with scientology and I have done extensive research on them and they are very skilled in manipulating you with their words! You can even see it happened online to this lady that wrote an article about how awful her experience was, but when Berg got to her and called her, suddenly she had a new view on things. Why? Mind games. They tried to play them with me when I was there, and only after I came home and did some research, I found out this scary information.

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Comments by drnicole1968 on 05/20/08, 9:28 am

The letter the you refer to by the state of Virginia says that what Dr. Berg is doing is not within the scope of practice for Chiropractic in the state of Virginia. The scope of practice for Chiropractic is usually very limited while the scope of practice for Medical Doctors is unlimited including practicing chiropractic adjustments. This hardly shows that Dr. Berg's practice is a scam. They are also critical of his advertising practices and the 'claims' made in them. Again, not very convincing evidence of a scam. Some patients do well and get better under Dr. Berg's care and some don't. That is the nature of the practice as it is in any healthcare practices. Is it not safe to say that chemotherapy works for some cancer patients and not in others? I think that all doctors of health care have the same odds for patients, some get better and some don't. Please provide better evidence for saying that Dr. Berg's practice is a scam.


Comments by BRTScam on 06/06/08, 4:50 pm

drnicole1968,
Since you didn't address your comment to a specific person (other than commenting on sandy56 scorecard), I'll assume you are addressing me because I am the only person to refer Dr. Eric E. Berg's practice as a 'scam' on DoctorScoreCard. Calling Dr. Eric E. Berg's practice a scam is, of course, an 'opinion' (opinions are not prosecutable as slander or libel). I have a right to my opinion and a right to express that opinion. I am surprised that a proponent of Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC would encourage dialog here on DoctorScoreCard as it is now #1 on Google search engine for 'Dr. Eric Berg'...
 
First the definition LRH style:
 
scam, scammed, scamming
-noun
1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.
-verb (used with object)
2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.
 
Second, I felt that the doctors used methods to gain my confidence and trust that are beyond normal practice doctors utilize. This was an essential component of a scam strategy. The doctor placated me in several areas and ways to gain my confidence and trust. It was obvious to that they used the information on the forms that I filled out to adjust their strategy to 'handle' me.
 
Third, it is my opinion that their 'scheme' was fraudulent as alluded by the consent order levied by the VA Board of Medicine:
 
www.dhp.virginia.gov
 
'...and have no reasonable scientific or medical research, investigation, study, or data to support their efficacy or therapeutic benefit: ...BRT, NAET, CRA, ACG...'
 
'...published advertisements or made or caused to be made statements and representations that were expressly or implicitly false, misleading and/or deceptive. Specifically... BRT or NAET... used to prevent, alleviate, diagnose, assess, treat, or otherwise ameliorate a variety of conditions and symptoms to include... allergies, thyroid problems, infertility, depression, migraines, fibromyalgia, PMS, blood sugar problems, arthritis, sciatica, prostate problems, skin related symptoms, heart beat problems, stubborn metabolism...'
 
Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC was given an opportunity to provide evidence that his methods were effective but, to my knowledge, he did not provide any such data. If Dr. Eric E. Berg has this evidence, why hasn't he shared it with anyone? He even claimed to have a success rate of 84% that he did not prove:
 
'vi. An undated promotional flyer advertising a marketing seminar for practitioners states that '[I]t has been established that BRT gets an 84% success rate for most endocrine conditions.' However, there is no data to support the claim of an 84% success rate.'
 
One might say that all the testimonials are evidence but human perception is notoriously inaccurate especially when one has a monetary or emotional investment. The medical community as evidence does not accept testimonials. The VA Medical Board is there to protect us. They undoubtedly received many of complaints about Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC as reason to investigate. They did their job and now the public is becoming aware.
 
Fourth, Oh yea, he requires money for this scheme, lots...
 
Fifth, High-pressure sales of package deals with 'today only' prices.
 
I have no evidence that Dr. Eric E. Berg believes he is scamming people but if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it might as well be a duck. It is entirely possible that he hasn't a clue about the 'scientific process' and how to perform acceptable research on the efficacy of his techniques. He could actually believe that these techniques work and is confused why the medical authorities find these techniques marginal. From my understanding, after reading some of the objections relating to chiropractor education on Chirotalk forum, that the chiropractor is not taught much about the scientific method.
 
You are correct that chemotherapy sometimes does not always produce desired results but chemotherapy has been through clinical trials and acceptable research and the percentages are well documented AND the patient is fully informed about the likely prognosis before the procedure. Chemotherapy is 'scientifically' understood at the atomic and molecular levels. Ask a chiropractor how BRT, ASET, or any of the 'muscle testing' techniques work from a scientific perspective. Yes, the chiropractor will give you his theory on these techniques but that's all they are, theories. In this scenario, as in scams, theories are made up to sell the technique. If these techniques are so great achieving an 84% success rate and have a theory to back them up, why haven't they been scientifically proven?
 
It is my opinion that much of Dr. Eric E. Berg's success is associated with patients improving their food consumption and other factors, NOT the magical techniques that he only (and his doctors) can perform. How about a clinical trial where a group receives his techniques and a group not? Both would receive the same food consumption counseling. Oops, that would be scientific…

www.dhp.virginia.gov

By my measure, this is a 'scam'. Read the consent order.


Comments by jgibbs on 06/13/08, 7:45 am

This guy is a quack. I have spoken to him several times, and was very unimpressed with his ideas. Chiropractic is one thing, but this guy is dangerous. Scientology is dangerous. 'Nuff said.


Comments by MF on 08/04/08, 8:55 pm

I've been to Dr. Berg's clinic and honestly, I've seen incredible results.
http://drberg.com/testimonials.htm
http://drberg.com/acupressure.cfm

How do you explain all these results? Are people making this up? Do you think he pays all these people?

You seem to be a medical advocate.
So I guess your answer is to send everyone with all complaints to medical doctors because thats real science, right?
I've been to many medical specialist and they give me nothing - maybe a subscription.
Dr. Berg took the time to listen to me, look into my history (more than 2 minutes as most MDs do), find my problem and do his acupressure. I felt great relief for the first time in years and I slept great.

The medical board obviously doesn't like Chiropractors and wants to restrict them just like the drug companies would like to rid competition.

You say Dr. Berg is just in it for the money. Can't a doctor charge for his service? He treated me, I felt great and no longer have insomnia - that was worth every penny. I'm also going to tell all my friends to go see him - he's for real.

You also have a hard time with his non-scientific theories. What would you recommend for ridding pain and sleeping problems - scientifically validated drugs?

And why don't you give your name - what do you have to hide and who do you work for - a drug company?

Mary Finestine



Comments by BRTScam on 08/14/08, 5:53 pm

PART 1 of 4
MF,
 
OK, I guess I’ll assume that you are addressing me…
 
Chirotalk is a much better place to discuss these subjects. It is germane to chiropractic, allows for anonymous posting, it would give Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC less public exposure, and Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC is already a member so he could give us direct feedback:
http://chirotalk.proboards3.com/index.cgi
 
MF said:
'I've been to Dr. Berg's clinic and honestly, I've seen incredible results.
http://drberg.com/testimonials.htm

http://drberg.com/acupressure.cfm
 
BRTScam said:
So how much time have you spent at HWC to see these great results? Do you work there? If you were a patient then I would expect you to have very limited exposure at HWC since patients are only there for their appointments.
 
I counted the testimonials on Dr. Eric E. Berg's website and they totaled 89. I recall that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC claimed he has treated somewhere in the neighborhood of 35,000 people then 89 out of 35,000 is only ~0.25% that say his techniques work, not the 84% that he claimed and chose not to prove. So if Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC was getting 84% success rate then why isn't 84% of the DoctorScoreCards about him favorable? There are six DoctorScoreCards of which four are bad, that's only a ~33% success rate. In addition, most of the good DoctorScoreCards have little detail of their experience indicating that they are not genuine.
 
Hmmm... I wonder how many of the 35,000 he treated made complaints to the VA Medical board before they took action and reprimanded Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC?

http://www.dhp.virginia.gov/Notices/Medicine/0104001851/0104001851Order09132007.pdf
 
I also have been to HWC many times and have seen incredible results. Incredible in the sense that, 'do people really believe this stuff?' I believe that all these results are manufactured in the patients mind and also a result of improved diet and exercise.
 
You might ask, 'Did you believe in the techniques?' Well no, I didn't. I thought that this might be an interesting thing to try, it didn't look like it would cause any harm. It did cost me a good bit of money, though. But it did cause harm. I was slowly molded to the Scientologist way of thinking. The HWC always had anti-psychiatry literature lying around and they talked about the medical industry issues negatively. There was a poster on the wall showing how dangerous anti-virus injections are. When I understood what was happening I felt betrayed, insulted, lied to, and manipulated. I trusted my doctor and was let down. Probably the same an ex-scientologist feels when leaving the 'Truman Show' Scientology. Sort of like the 5/12/08 response on the RateMDs site:
 
http://www.ratemds.com/social/?q=node/28873&did=132267
http://chirotalk.proboards3.com/index.cgi
http://www.enturbulation.org
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com
http://www.lisamcpherson.org
http://whyaretheydead.net
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.scientology-kills.org


Comments by BRTScam on 08/14/08, 5:55 pm

Part 2 of 4
MF said:
'How do you explain all these results? Are people making this up? Do you think he pays all these people?'
BRTScam said:
I don't believe much of what Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC says or claims. In my opinion Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC has not been completely truthful in the past; making claims he could or would not prove. Just because there are testimonials on his web site does not mean they are true.
Remember that he publicly made claims that the VA Medical Board gave him an opportunity to prove and he did not. The reprimand says:
'...published advertisements or made or caused to be made statements and representations that were expressly or implicitly false, misleading and/or deceptive.'
I also came to the conclusion that most if not all the claims were fraudulent.
Since I feel I cannot trust Dr. Eric E. Berg to be truthful, it matters little what he claims.. Here again, show us the proof. Show us the clinical trial.
I have noticed that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC has started a so-called non-profit organization to research his (and other, I assume) techniques. This organization is called 'Health Technology Foundation'. I have tried to find any information about this organization but have found none. Where is it? Who is the director? This appears to be an unsubstantiated claim to make Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC and his techniques appear more valid. More 'Smoke and mirrors' If this foundation comes to fruition my guess is that it will be staffed by Scientologists the same as Scientology's psychiatry attack organization CCHR:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights

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Comments by BRTScam on 08/14/08, 5:59 pm

Part 3 of 4
MF said:
'You seem to be a medical advocate.
So I guess your answer is to send everyone with all complaints to medical doctors because thats real science, right?
I've been to many medical specialist and they give me nothing - maybe a subscription.'
 
BRTScam said:
I am not a medical advocate and I don't have all the answers. Remember I was drawn to Dr. Eric E. Berg's clinic the same as you. Unfortunately the medical profession has done little to improve chronic healthcare issues people face and as a result a lot of snake oil chiropractors are taking advantage of desperate people. Also, keep in mind that the medical profession isn't all scientific. The medical profession also has some treatments that are strictly results based. There are drugs that 'work' and no one knows why. The big difference between the medical industry and chiropractic industry is that the medical industry tries to learn why something works and eventually makes discoveries that improve our lives. Do you think that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC will ever discover how his techniques work scientifically?
 
Why not have a conversation about Dr. Eric E. Berg's techniques? Why not describe the techniques, dissect them and try to understand why they do or do not work? How does ASET, BRT, NAET, CRA and the like suppose to work? What are some of the personal experiences? Has anyone applied real scientific processes to the techniques?
 
http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/naet.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html
 
 
MF said:
'Dr. Berg took the time to listen to me, look into my history (more than 2 minutes as most MDs do), find my problem and do his acupressure. I felt great relief for the first time in years and I slept great.'
 
BRTScam said:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that it is necessary for him to spend the extra time and effort to gain the trust of potential patients. It is all about the strategy to get patients to sign up for the package deal. You probably attended the 1-2 hour seminar that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC gives to help condition you into accepting his techniques. This is a strategy campaigned by The Ben Cummings Co. Inc. called 'Practice Building Center':
 
http://www.practicebuildingcenter.com/public/99.cfm
 
I am glad you are getting help. You and you only will have to make judgments about your healthcare and it's quality and cost. But beware of Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC. HWC has no problem taking your money. Ask yourself: Did you sign up for a 'treatment package' deal? Was it a 'today only' offer? Can you get your money back if not satisfied? Did you sign a waiver that prevents you from suing for malpractice?
 
I will never again give money that ends up going to W.I.S.E.:
 
http://www.wise.org/en_US/index.html
 
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/e/eric-berg.html
 
MF said:
'The medical board obviously doesn't like Chiropractors and wants to restrict them just like the drug companies would like to rid competition.'
 
BRTScam said:
...and Church of Scientology would like to stamp out psychiatry...
 
You are welcome to your opinion and yes organizations do compete. I think the medical board is not doing enough to protect us from snake oil chiropractors. Yea, FDA has gone astray and the drug companies are money grubbing to please their shareholders, but that doesn't mean that we should abandoned them and roll with snake oil chiropractors. We all should be doing what we can to support the medical industry to improve. I am not against all chiropractors but I do have a problem with ones that recommend Scientology religious procedures, like the 'Purification Rundown' for medical improvement. Here is a procedure that uses dangerously high doses of vitamins and niacin coupled with exercise and dangerously long sauna exposure. Why would Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC be so interested in improving your liver function just to damage it by the 'Purif'? Never made sense to me. Maybe he needs to get your liver healthier so you can survive the 'Purif'?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purification_Rundown
 


Comments by BRTScam on 08/14/08, 6:01 pm

Part 4 of 4
MF said:
'You say Dr. Berg is just in it for the money. Can't a doctor charge for his service? He treated me, I felt great and no longer have insomnia - that was worth every penny. I'm also going to tell all my friends to go see him - he's for real.'
 
BRTScam said:
I do not have a problem with doctors charging for their services (Duh!) but I do have a problem when there is no acceptable clinical proof that the techniques work. The state medical boards and patients need to hold practitioners to an acceptable standard and I feel that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC is below that standard, and it appears that the VA Medical Board came to the same conclusion.
 
I am glad you feel better. Are you better because of the treatments or because you diet and exercise has improved? If you feel so strongly about Dr. Eric E. Berg's techniques then help him do the research to PROVE they work using acceptable clinical research.
 
MF said:
'You also have a hard time with his non-scientific theories. What would you recommend for ridding pain and sleeping problems - scientifically validated drugs?'
 
BRTScam said:
You are right that I have problems with non-scientific theories. I feel that if you have a theory then prove it. I don't recommend drugs. In most cases drugs do not solve a problem, they just make living with the problem easier, sometimes. I say sometimes because usually there are nasty side effects that create other problems. I view drugs as a last resort in most instances. Here again, the medical community has let us down, there should be MORE science to find REAL solution to REAL medical problems not giving up and visiting your local snake oil chiropractor.
 
MF said:
'And why don't you give your name - what do you have to hide and who do you work for - a drug company?'
 
BRTScam said:
I don't give my name and try not to give away my identity because I fear 'fair Game' attacks from the Church of Scientology and from Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
 
Keep in mind that this site (DoctorScoreCard) was designed to give everybody the right to freedom of speech. This is why one can use an alias handle. Freedom of speech is more easily performed when one does not fear attacks. Do you want to live in a world where people are in fear of voicing their opinions of unethical and/or illegal behavior? Anyway, there is no need for anyone to know who I am or anybody commenting here. If you want to communicate directly with me, my profile is email enabled (you, of course will have to enable email in your profile to receive emails). Just click on 'BRTScam' to go to my profile page and click on 'send private message'. I am not the only person to not use their real name that I can tell. 'Mommy69', 'Real1', 'Caution', Concerned Consumer', and probably BobbyFletcher are are not real names. It appears that 7 are real and 6 are aliases. Two of the aliases are pro-Berg...
 
I do not work for any company or person with any relation to drug companies or the medical or psychiatry community. I do not have an 'agenda' and I do not collaborate with anyone or organization; I merely speak my mind when I feel people should know about wrongdoing.
 
Enough about me, let's get back to the subject matter.
 
Can someone describe the BRT and ASET technique and what Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC claims about these techniques?


Comments by openmind on 08/15/08, 9:46 am

I think that some of the allegations against Dr. Berg are ridiculous. I think that there is a conspiracy against him by the government and drug manufacturers. If he is healing people holistically, then there won't be a need for all of those expensive drugs that doctors prescribe like candy. Some of you need to exert your energy into more constructive activities and stop bashing someone who is trying to help people become healthier.


 
Comments by BRTScam on 08/15/08, 2:43 pm

“openmind” said:
I think that some of the allegations against Dr. Berg are ridiculous.
 
“BRTScam” said:
From what I have read and actually experienced at and about the HWC that the scorecards are not allegations but truths.
Here are some things that I believe to be true:
  1. Some rooms have curtains instead of doors.
  2. Some rooms have “holes” that allow others to hear private conversations between patient and doctor. I personally heard many of these conversations. Some of these conversations helped me to understand what was happening, they helped me to “wake up” to the scam. I heard some very interesting stuff!!!
  3. Sometimes long waits. (this is actually normal for a doctors office)
  4. High pressure sales of “package deals” that are “today only”.
  5. The consent order: http://www.dhp.virginia.gov/Notices/Medicine/0104001851/0104001851Order09132007.pdf
  6. Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC developer of BRT (Body Restoration Technique) is not allowed advertise or use in the state of Virginia, BRT, NAET, CRT (should be CRA), and ACG. (per VA Board of Medicine)
  7. The Church of Scientology Mission of Alexandria is next door to HWC.
  8. The HWC has recommended the “Purif” for health improvement.
  9. The “Purif” is a religious procedure.
  10. Karen L. Berg (AKA Rafalko-Berg, Rafalko) operates the mission next door.
  11. Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC has “made or caused to be made statements and representations that were expressly or implicitly false, misleading and/or deceptive” (per VA Board of Medicine).
  12. Dr. Eric E. Berg,DC has not provided any evidence of acceptable clinical research that indicates the techniques work. (per VA Board of Medicine)
  13. Large doses of vitamins that HWC sells are prescribed by the HWC doctors.
  14. HWC advertisements sometimes refer to/utilize the phone number used for the Alexandria mission next door. http://chirotalk.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=treatment&action=display&thread=3843
  15. The HWC does, on occasion, provide valuable nutritional advice.
  16. The HWC does, on occasion, motivate patients to reach their weight loss goals.
 
Can you be more specific what is ridiculous?
 
“openmind” said:
I think that there is a conspiracy against him by the government and drug manufacturers.
 
“BRTScam” said:
I find this hilarious! Conspiracy?
 
“Do you work for the CIA, the NSA, or the FBI?” (Standard Scientology indoctrination questioning on the e-meter).
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meter
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/E-Meter
Did you know that the E-Meter is a religious artifact? I am amazed that at public locations such as at the malls, Scientologists perform free “Stress Tests” using this E-Meter. If you look on the E-Meter you will find the following statement on a label (or something similar ordered by Judge Gerhardt A. Gesell):
 
“By itself, this meter does nothing. It is solely for the guide of Ministers of the Church in Confessionals and pastoral counseling. The Electrometer is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily function of anyone and is for religious use by students and Ministers of the Church of Scientology only.”
 
So when you are going through the stress tests you are actually receiving pastoral counseling. Some say this is the first step in becoming a member of the Church of Scientology. And no stress test goes without high pressure sell to buy the LRH book Dianetics.
 
“openmind” said:
If he is healing people holistically, then there won't be a need for all of those expensive drugs that doctors prescribe like candy.
 
“BRTScam” said:
I believe you are partially correct on this. Many believe that the drug companies and the FDA actively target the holistic movement. I am not completely sold on this idea. I will say that the FDA and the medical community do not actively promoting holistic healing and they should be researching and qualifying many of the claims.
 
“openmind” said:
Some of you need to exert your energy into more constructive activities and stop bashing someone who is trying to help people become healthier.
 
“BRTScam” said:
Are your referring to all the government conspiracy secret agents? Bashing would constitute unsubstantiated claims or excessive negative information, right? But all I can see here are facts and experiences of patients. I don’t think these people are lying because of my direct experience going to HWC.
 
From what I can gather searching on the internets, there is DoctorScoreCard, RateMDs, Chirotalk, Casewatch, news group ARS, and a few blogs that speak of Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC negatively. Compared to the media blitz he pushes of his books, I think this is small potatoes.
 
How about exerting our energy to help the medical industry to improve and research some of the holistic methods?
 
Let’s help Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC to post some of his research findings that would prove his techniques are effective? He should be able to discuss and defend his techniques freely, right?


Comments by openmind on 08/15/08, 3:10 pm

Just because he had a few 'issues' to come up does not mean that he should be run through the mud. Who do you work for? You seem to have an awful lot of time to sit behind a computer and come up with all of this stuff.


Comments by openmind on 08/15/08, 3:10 pm

Just because he had a few 'issues' to come up does not mean that he should be run through the mud. Who do you work for? You seem to have an awful lot of time to sit behind a computer and come up with all of this stuff.


Comments by BRTScam on 08/15/08, 7:08 pm

Openmind said:
Just because he had a few 'issues' to come up does not mean that he should be run through the mud.
 
BRTScam said:
As far as I know these “issues” are current. Are you suggesting that the “issues” I list no longer plague Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC? Please list the issues that have been resolved.
 
He is not being “run through the mud”. Like I said, he has lots of positive exposure elsewhere on the internets. These comments here are just frank honest observations and experiences made by some of his patients from what I can tell. Do you know different?
 
And why are you not addressing my questions as I address yours? Do you “always attack, never defend”?
 
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/philosop.htm
Openmind said:
Who do you work for?
 
BRTScam said:
Who I work for is none of your business just like who you work for is none of mine. I have already stated that who I work for has no relation to the medical industry, drug industry, or the psychiatry industry. Do you work from an industry that attacks people who practice freedom of speech?
 
Openmind said:
You seem to have an awful lot of time to sit behind a computer and come up with all of this stuff.
 
BRTScam said:
Does not take much time at all. Hmmm… You assume I am behind a computer. I have done a lot of research into the chiropractic industry and the Church of Scientology.
 
Why can’t we discuss Dr. Eric E. Berg’s techniques and how they work and also how they can be verified in an acceptable way? Lets fix this problem, lets make holistic treatments valid. Let’s get Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC to step up to the plate and be counted as the revolutionary that he is touted!!!


Comments by openmind on 08/16/08, 7:51 am

Oh my....maybe he used that Scientology stuff to brain wash me and you're right about everything. What must I do?


Comments by BRTScam on 08/16/08, 6:15 pm

Openmind said:
Oh my....maybe he used that Scientology stuff to brain wash me and you're right about everything.
 
BRTScam said:
It’s not really “brain wash” in the conventional sense. There are some good books to read to learn more about the technique. Here is one I would recommend:
 
“My Voice Will Go With You” by Sidney Rosen
This book describes the “Teaching Tales” of Milton H. Erickson.
 
Here is a link to Amazon:
 
http://www.amazon.com/My-Voice-Will-Go-You/dp/0393301354
Remember, some of the most intelligent people have been sucked into Scientology…
 
Openmind said:
What must I do?
 
BRTScam said:
There are a few things you can do depending on how deep you are engaged in Scientology. I would strongly recommend contacting one of the old school critics that spent many years in Scientology such as
 
  1. Tory (Bezazian) Christman (Magoo) magoo44@charter.net(818) 588-3044
  2. Arnie Lerma alerma@bellatlantic.net (703) 241-1498
 
They will welcome you and understand your problems because they were in the same boat.
 


Comments by BRTScam on 08/17/08, 10:48 am



Comments by Truehealth on 08/25/08, 5:19 pm

JGIBBS...What makes scientology dangerous???


Comments by Truehealth on 08/25/08, 5:20 pm

Response to Part 2 of 4 from BRT SCAM
 
Curves:
 
Dr. Berg did actually do a study with Curves gym. He went to the curves and did a seminar there. So when you say “Less than truthful” what exactly do you mean?
 
The study was set up between an independent curves owner and The Health & Wellness Center. It was very very simple. People went to curves to exercise and followed Dr. Berg’s eating plan.
So when you say that these comments are fraudulent you really have NO PROOF that they are.
Remember that just because you had a bad experience does not mean that someone is fraudulent.
 
On this scientology thing…It is very curious to me that you are so concerned (even to the point where you sound scared) that Dr. Berg may be a scientologist. It sounds to me that you do not know anything about scientology, and you know what happens when people do not understand something and do not have the maturity level to try to understand it right? Horrible accusations, ignorance, violence, and misrepresentation of a person or group of people. If we look back in time we see some of this happening in the situation with the Holocaust  or Slavery. Just because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND something does not mean that it is bad. This is an elementary lesson that most people learn.
 
Upon reading your comments I also saw that you said:
 
 “I believe that all these results are manufactured in the patients mind and also a result of improved diet and exercise.”
 
  1. Using the word ALL is a generalization. That is like saying “I NEVER get anything right” or “I ALWAYS write bad things about people” It shows that you do not believe what anyone has to say and that shows a lot of NEGATIVITY.
  2. Yes people that go to the Health & Wellness Center improve with diet and exercise but there are also people that go for different reasons like SHOULDER PAIN or other ailments. Now I don’t know about you but if we could improve shoulder pain with diet and exercise there would be no need for doctors and surgeons right?
  3. You said that you were slowly molded to the scientologist way of thinking? What does that mean? You did not go into details…Did someone ask you to become a scientologist upon going to the Health & Wellness Center? Did they invite you to an outside meeting? HOW WERE YOU MOLDED???
  4. You also said “When I understood what was happening I felt betrayed, insulted, lied to, and manipulated.”  Sorry to be so DIRECT but you should be writing to tobacco companies telling them how you feel manipulated that they are causing DEATH. Write to the advertising agencies to tell them that they are manipulating young girls into getting shots for weight loss and these girls are getting sick. Write to the people that put hormones in the foods and tell us that they are ok, or here’s an idea…you can research the REAL reason why this country is at WAR and write to the president telling him how you feel betrayed and manipulated that U.S. citizens are dying. Believe me Mr. SCAM there are a lot of issues in this world that are far worse than having a scientologist as a doctor.  I know that you are AFRAID of what you do not understand…It’s OK!
 
Remember if the person that fixes your food at your local deli is a Muslim…it does not mean that if you eat the food you will become a Muslim. If the person that pumps your gas is a Christian…it does not mean that if you start the car, you will be a Christian…and if your doctor is a scientologist and he touches you…well I’m sure you can guess the rest.
 
Just chill out a little…It’s OK!
 


Comments by ProBRT on 08/25/08, 5:34 pm

I completely agree with TrueHealth.  You are making judgement of someone you barely know and obviously you have no idea what Dr. Eric Berg represents.  Scientology has nothing to do with what he does in his practice.  He keeps that completely separate!  People have different opinions and views on things...I'm sure that not everybody likes what religion you are but we don't make judgement because everybody thinks differently.  The explaination that TrueHealth said about religion are completely true and you should maybe think about what you are saying before you post it.  It's called brainstorming..look it up if you don't know what it means!

I'm curious to know who you work for BRTScam...obviously someone that has too much time in there hand and doesn't have anything else to do but to attack doctors that are successful. 

Everything you say about Dr. Eric Berg on this so called Doctorscorecard website is untrue and negative.  If you think you are getting anywhere by posting these things and attacking Dr. Berg...well think again because Dr. Eric Berg is still up and running and is helping many many people.  Now tell me what have you done to try to help people??

 



Comments by BRTScam on 08/26/08, 5:41 pm

ProBRT,
 
First off, I appreciate your comments. I think it is admirable to speak your mind with conviction. Freedom of speech is a great thing in this country and we all should stand up and be heard!
 
ProBRT said:
“I completely agree with TrueHealth.  You are making judgement of someone you barely know and obviously you have no idea what Dr. Eric Berg represents.“
 
BRTScam Said:
You are correct that I do not know Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC very well. If I have personally offended anyone, I am sorry. That is/was not my intention. I merely wanted to bring to the public’s attention the issues I have experienced at HWC. I believe that DoctorScoreCard is the appropriate place to do so.
 
ProBRT said:
“Scientology has nothing to do with what he does in his practice.  He keeps that completely separate!”
 
BRTScam said:
Then explain to me why I was recommended to perform the Scientology religious procedure called the “Purif” to improve my health? Look, I suspect that there are those that he does not expose to Scientology, maybe you are one of them?
 
ProBRT said:
“People have different opinions and views on things...I'm sure that not everybody likes what religion you are but we don't make judgement because everybody thinks differently.  The explaination that TrueHealth said about religion are completely true and you should maybe think about what you are saying before you post it.  It's called brainstorming..look it up if you don't know what it means!”
 
BRTScam said:
People do make judgments about religion when it is inappropriately mixed into a business. I am not judging the Scientology religious belief system itself. I can care less if you or anybody believes in Body Thetans or not.

ProBRT said:
”I'm curious to know who you work for BRTScam...obviously someone that has too much time in there hand and doesn't have anything else to do but to attack doctors that are successful.“
 
BRTScam said:
Like I have said in previous posts, whom I work for is none of anyone’s business, assuming I work at all. I don’t attack doctors. I have commented here about Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC to help the public understand the issues with HWC and maybe this can help the HWC improve their service to people. For the most part, I answer questions and respond to requests to the best of my ability. If you don’t want me to post, don’t ask questions or make requests of me.

ProBRT said:
”Everything you say about Dr. Eric Berg on this so called Doctorscorecard website is untrue and negative.”
 
BRTScam said:
I do believe that is a “generalization” that Truehealth just scolded me for in post dated 08/25/08, 5:20 pm. So when I said:
 
15. The HWC does, on occasion, provide valuable nutritional advice.
16. The HWC does, on occasion, motivate patients to reach their weight loss goals.
 
You believe that I am incorrect?
 
ProBRT said:
“If you think you are getting anywhere by posting these things and attacking Dr. Berg...well think again because Dr. Eric Berg is still up and running and is helping many many people.”
 
BRTScam said:
I have NO intention to STOP Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC and I am glad that he is helping people. I would prefer that he help people in a more acceptable way from what I experienced.
 
ProBRT said:
“Now tell me what have you done to try to help people??”
 
BRTScam said:
How I help people is none of your business.


Comments by BRTScam on 08/27/08, 10:02 pm

Part 1 of 2
Truehealth said:
“Response to Part 2 of 4 from BRT SCAM
 
Curves:
 
Dr. Berg did actually do a study with Curves gym. He went to the curves and did a seminar there. So when you say “Less than truthful” what exactly do you mean?
 
The study was set up between an independent curves owner and The Health & Wellness Center. It was very very simple. People went to curves to exercise and followed Dr. Berg’s eating plan.
So when you say that these comments are fraudulent you really have NO PROOF that they are.
Remember that just because you had a bad experience does not mean that someone is fraudulent.”
 
BRTScam said:
As an act of good faith I removed the portion of the comment pertaining to “Curves” in my comment dated 08/14/08, 5:55 pm. It is entirely possible that Becky Frusher, Corporate Communications, of Curves International, Inc. was incorrect when she indicated, “Curves International has no knowledge of a potential partnership between Dr. Berg and any of its independently owned and operated franchises.” If you could supply more detailed data on the event such as date range of the study, the point of contact at Curves, and the location(s) involved, I could investigate this matter further to determine the validity of the claim. It has always been my goal to be truthful when commenting on DoctorScoreCard.
 
Truehealth said:
“On this scientology thing…It is very curious to me that you are so concerned (even to the point where you sound scared) that Dr. Berg may be a scientologist. It sounds to me that you do not know anything about scientology, and you know what happens when people do not understand something and do not have the maturity level to try to understand it right? Horrible accusations, ignorance, violence, and misrepresentation of a person or group of people. If we look back in time we see some of this happening in the situation with the Holocaust  or Slavery. Just because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND something does not mean that it is bad. This is an elementary lesson that most people learn.”
 
BRTScam said:
I would not characterize my view as “scared” but I am concerned about the COS “Fair Game” policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
 
This is exactly why “Anonymous” wear masks at COS protests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)
 
Truehealth said:
“Upon reading your comments I also saw that you said:
 
“I believe that all these results are manufactured in the patients mind and also a result of improved diet and exercise.”
 
“1. Using the word ALL is a generalization. That is like saying “I NEVER get anything right” or “I ALWAYS write bad things about people” It shows that you do not believe what anyone has to say and that shows a lot of NEGATIVITY. “
 
BRTScam said:
You are correct. I did not properly wordsmith this phrase. I should have said:  “I believe that many of these results are manufactured in the patients mind and also a result of improved diet and exercise.”
 
Truehealth said:
“2. Yes people that go to the Health & Wellness Center improve with diet and exercise but there are also people that go for different reasons like SHOULDER PAIN or other ailments. Now I don’t know about you but if we could improve shoulder pain with diet and exercise there would be no need for doctors and surgeons right? “
 
BRTScam said:
I have no doubt that doctors at HWC on occasion do good things. Some of the chiropractic treatments are valid. BRT, ASET and the like are not.
 
Doctors and Surgeons are needed for other things like removing tumors and sewing people back together after an accident.


Comments by BRTScam on 08/27/08, 10:07 pm

Part 2 of 2
Truehealth said:
“3. You said that you were slowly molded to the scientologist way of thinking? What does that mean? You did not go into details…Did someone ask you to become a scientologist upon going to the Health & Wellness Center? Did they invite you to an outside meeting? HOW WERE YOU MOLDED???”
 
BRTScam said:
I cannot go into to much detail without giving away my identity. I was recommended to participate in the Scientology religious procedure “Purif” to further improve my health. When and who is none of anybody’s business.
 
Truehealth said:
“4. You also said “When I understood what was happening I felt betrayed, insulted, lied to, and manipulated.”  Sorry to be so DIRECT but you should be writing to tobacco companies telling them how you feel manipulated that they are causing DEATH. Write to the advertising agencies to tell them that they are manipulating young girls into getting shots for weight loss and these girls are getting sick. Write to the people that put hormones in the foods and tell us that they are ok, or here’s an idea…you can research the REAL reason why this country is at WAR and write to the president telling him how you feel betrayed and manipulated that U.S. citizens are dying. Believe me Mr. SCAM there are a lot of issues in this world that are far worse than having a scientologist as a doctor.  I know that you are AFRAID of what you do not understand…It’s OK!”
 
BRTScam said:
How do you know that I am not actively working on all the problems you list and the HWC was next on my list? I don’t need to justify my prioritization to you or anybody else. The same applies to anyone that comments here.
 
Truehealth said:
“Remember if the person that fixes your food at your local deli is a Muslim…it does not mean that if you eat the food you will become a Muslim. If the person that pumps your gas is a Christian…it does not mean that if you start the car, you will be a Christian…and if your doctor is a scientologist and he touches you…well I’m sure you can guess the rest.
 
Just chill out a little…It’s OK!”
 
BRTScam said:
I have no problem separating these things you speak of, but there is a difference between these things you list (food, gas, touch) and the doctor/patient relationship. My concern is not the touching but the words, body language, and connotation where the Scientologist practices that art of persuasion and manipulation. People do not easily recognize when they are being manipulated. Sandy56 and bobbyfletcher recognized this and mentioned it in their DoctorScoreCards.
 
You really should read the book:
 
“My Voice Will Go With You” by Sidney Rosen
This book describes the “Teaching Tales” of Milton H. Erickson.
 
Here is a link to Amazon:
 
http://www.amazon.com/My-Voice-Will-Go-You/dp/0393301354
 
 
Why must you divert attention away from Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC towards me?
 
So, why can’t we discuss how ASET works? What improvements have taken place at HWC?


Comments by SidtheKid on 09/01/08, 8:28 am

BRT,
Why are you repeatedly plugging that same book?... Couldn't possibly be for some personal gain of some kind could it?


Comments by SidtheKid on 09/01/08, 8:49 am

BRT,
Since you asked, here's how ASET has been applied for me at the HWC... I was injured in an automobile accident last summer and after several months of traditional exercise therapy and stretching, I made little progress, still had a lot of stiffness and pain. I was recommended to Dr. Berg by a patient of his.. Dr. Berg explained the theories behind accupuncture and showed me a chart and instead of using needles, he applied continuous, very firm pressure on those same points while flexing muscles connected on the same circuit of nerves. I must say I've made more progress in six weeks of ASET therapy than in traditional therapy.  Now that doesn't mean I buy into the whole COS pseudo religious doctrines. There is a COS axiom that applies here though.. 'It's only true if it's true for you.'.. That would seem to be the case here for me.. I can't tell you if ASET would have the same impact for other patients that it has had for me.   Yes, I agree, COS has several believers who are very isolated from mainstream news of the everyday world.. That might be the case for Dr. Berg. Conversations about politics and the forthcoming election are pretty much one-sided.  Dr. Berg also introduced me to the concept of 'contact assists'..  I was skeptical at first but in the nine times I've tried them, they have relieved my pains (everything from stubbing my toes to cracking my head on a shelf) immediately in every case.. So here's my personal conundrum: Obviously there are some applications of the LRH technology that work (at least for me) but not for one second do I buy into pseudo-religious doctrines of the COS. To quote my favorite singer, Bono, 'The God I know isn't short of cash -- mister!'... In short, if LRH technology can truly bring about spiritual freedom for mankind, why not share it with all?  Salvation, spiritual enlightenment, whatever you choose to call it doesn't come with a price tag. Logic tells me that COS is a misguided multi-level marketing scheme shrouded in religious fallacy for tax purposes. Personal experiences tell me that some applications of this tech do work and THAT is exactly what Tory Christman and other ex-Scieno's have stated in their post COS stories.


Comments by BRTScam on 09/01/08, 9:32 pm

SidtheKid said:
“BRT,
Why are you repeatedly plugging that same book?...”
 
BRTScam said:
I have only plugged the book twice on DoctorScoreCard. I would call the additional plug emphasis.
 
SidtheKid said:
“Couldn't possibly be for some personal gain of some kind could it?”
 
BRTScam said:
I get no gain from plugging the book except that there might be one more souls that I can prevent anguish and suffering… There are, no doubt, more books out there on the subject. Knowledge will set you free.


Comments by BRTScam on 09/01/08, 9:36 pm

1 of 2

SidtheKid said:
“BRT,
Since you asked, here's how ASET has been applied for me at the HWC... I was injured in an automobile accident last summer and after several months of traditional exercise therapy and stretching, I made little progress, still had a lot of stiffness and pain. I was recommended to Dr. Berg by a patient of his.. Dr. Berg explained the theories behind accupuncture and showed me a chart and instead of using needles, he applied continuous, very firm pressure on those same points while flexing muscles connected on the same circuit of nerves.”
 
BRTScam said:
First off I think it is great that you are feeling better. So what is Dr. Eric E. Berg’s theory? How does applying pressure in a particular location relieve pain? Does this method just mask the pain and not actually repair the damaged area?
 
SidtheKid said:
“I must say I've made more progress in six weeks of ASET therapy than in traditional therapy.“
 
BRTScam said:
Would it appear as long as you are still going to HWC and getting the “masking treatment” it will appear that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC has the solution? I would suggest stop going to HWC when you have relief and see if the symptoms reappear. This is not exactly a very scientific method to determine the efficacy of the method but if the symptoms reappear then you know they are just masking the root problem. Just because the pain went away after treatments at HWC does not mean that the HWC treatment work. Here again a clinical trial is needed to statistically prove either way.
 
Where is Dr. Eric E. Berg’s clinical trials? Where is the acceptable proof?
 
SidtheKid said:
“Now that doesn't mean I buy into the whole COS pseudo religious doctrines. There is a COS axiom that applies here though.. 'It's only true if it's true for you.'.. That would seem to be the case here for me.. I can't tell you if ASET would have the same impact for other patients that it has had for me.”
 
BRTScam said:
I would agree that the axiom may appear to apply here but I must disagree with you that it what one should apply. This axiom was and is still used to help persuade members and would be members to justify things they naturally question. One of the problems that COS must surmount is one’s natural reasoning. Additionally, this axiom is in direct opposition to scientific development. If man did not question and analyze what he saw and felt we would not have developed. This axiom is how testimonials are justified. One should never measure the efficacy of a treatment using the system being treated. Sort of the opposite of Quantum Theory. Man still has difficulty accepting Quantum Theory because it does not make sense naturally but the theory has been proved in many ways and considerable more times than any other scientific theory. We should be applying scientific analysis to Dr. Eric E. Berg’s treatments and theories to prove them. A clinical trial would be a good start.
 
SidtheKid said:
“Yes, I agree, COS has several believers who are very isolated from mainstream news of the everyday world.. That might be the case for Dr. Berg. Conversations about politics and the forthcoming election are pretty much one-sided.”
 
BRTScam said:
Yes, very spooky! Some characterize COS members as “zombies”. I would expect Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC to be a bit more “of the world” than die hard COS Sea Org or OSA members because he is out and about treating patients and such.
 
SidtheKid said:
“Dr. Berg also introduced me to the concept of 'contact assists'..  I was skeptical at first but in the nine times I've tried them, they have relieved my pains (everything from stubbing my toes to cracking my head on a shelf) immediately in every case..”
 
BRTScam said:
I don’t disagree that there are some things in COS that are valid and effective. These are how one is captured into the religion. I would not spend the ~$90 for a session to treat a stubbed toe… Did you get that Scientology “Touch Assist” at HWC or at the Alexandria Mission next door?
 
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH6_4.HTM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_assist
 
SidtheKid said:
“So here's my personal conundrum: Obviously there are some applications of the LRH technology that work (at least for me) but not for one second do I buy into pseudo-religious doctrines of the COS.”
 
BRTScam said:
That’s great! I wouldn’t call that a conundrum though. Remember the gray… The COS would not exist if everything they offered were bad or didn’t work.
 
SidtheKid said:
“To quote my favorite singer, Bono, 'The God I know isn't short of cash -- mister!'...”
 
BRTScam said:
Bono. I assume you are speaking of Bono of U2. I guess some entertainment has to say that Christianity is hot and Scientology is not.


Comments by BRTScam on 09/01/08, 9:39 pm

2 of 2
 
SidtheKid said:
“In short, if LRH technology can truly bring about spiritual freedom for mankind, why not share it with all? Salvation, spiritual enlightenment, whatever you choose to call it doesn't come with a price tag.”
 
BRTScam said:
I agree, so lets free COS from all the BS and make ALL the data available to the public, no more secrets… And see if this is really all that great. As you have said, most things are gray and not black and white. The reality is that the “Tech” and the belief system has been so perturbed by the management (both LRH & DM) that it is no longer of any value. DM took off the volcano from the new Dianetics book cover so that the critics would not laugh at the obvious “Wall of Fire” connotation, as an example. DM continues to “squirrel” the technology.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_beliefs_and_practices#Squirreling
 
SidtheKid said:
“Logic tells me that COS is a misguided multi-level marketing scheme shrouded in religious fallacy for tax purposes.”
 
BRTScam said:
Many critics agree. I do not characterize it as a multi-level marketing scheme. This would mean that there is organization at each of the levels. I believe that people are in the COS for a multitude of reasons and most want to get out but have nowhere to go. They know only Scientologists and fear RPF and “sec checks”.
 
http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/rpf.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientology_Security_Checks
 
SidtheKid said:
Personal experiences tell me that some applications of this tech do work and THAT is exactly what Tory Christman and other ex-Scieno's have stated in their post COS stories.
 
BRTScam said:
You are correct, Tory and other critics have said that. What I have observed is that they immediately upon exiting the COS feel the technology is OK but the management is all screwed up. But they, over time change their story (presumably as they “wake up”) to feel that the technology is less effective. If you ask Tory, she will most likely tell you that the bad parts far outweigh the good part(s) by many orders of magnitude. This is indicated by the fact that more people have not gone from the COS to the Free Zone. If the “Tech” were so hot then Free Zone would be alive and kicking. The reality is that the Free Zone has few members.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_(Scientology)
http://scientologistsfreezone.com/
 
Have you seen the You Tube videos of Jason Beghe:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUjMz9-W2I&feature=related
 
1,096 ratings, 24,344 viewings, 270 comments
 
http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/jason-beghe-interview/
 
Have you noticed that nearly all of Dr. Eric E. Berg’s You Tube videos have ratings and comments turned off? Is he that afraid of criticism?
 
One thing I find very curious is how many Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC proponents have not generated a DoctorScoreCard to help increase his score. “cucumber”, “drnicole1968”, “MF”, “openmind”, “truehealth”, “ProBRT”, “smahmud”, “REAL1”, & yourself (SidtheKid) have all commented (or posted a picture) but have not made a DoctorScoreCard. Dr. Eric E. Berg’s score is a dismal “4”. If these 9 people each score a high then Dr. Eric E. Berg would have a good score. Why would they not do that?


Comments by SidtheKid on 09/02/08, 12:57 pm

 BRT,
The point Bono and I were both making is that spiritual enlightenment doesn't come with a price tag.. Regardless of his status as a popular singer, that observation should ring true for anyone who seeks a higher purpose in this life.. I have seen the complete Beghe interview.. Nothing I didn't already know or surmise about the COS...I haven't posted a review on Dr. Berg yet because my treatment is not complete and I certainly have a lot more flexibility and a lot less pain on a daily basis so I'd say there's more than 'masking' going on here -- Again, that's only in my case.. Direct application of pressure on the injured areas helps release the pain much like massage therapy or accupuncture (which I also receive from time to time - Access the pain and you begin to release the pain as my massage therapists have explained).. I can't speak for other patients nor would attempt to.. Multi-level certainly does cover the COS marketing approach.. The more bodies you get in the door and paying dues (donations) they generate, the more money that gets kicked upstairs, level by level.. Finally, Dr. Berg hasn't mentioned anything remotely to do with COS, LRH, Dianetics to me.. I can only judge him by what I've witnessed and experienced. As far as I can tell, he runs a legit business... The last time I checked, America was founded on the principle of freedom of religion and he is free to practice his religion as he sees fit.. If he encroaches on the rights of others beyond the shadow of doubt then - - and only then, does it become a problem... If my general practitioner started handing me Catholic tracts, it would most likely bother me and I'd look for someone else.. The scorecard is just a forum to me.. I seriously doubt anyone chooses a doctor based on the ratings (& ravings of a single website -- this one in particular)... Like the commercial says: 'your results may vary'.. I've gone to five-star eateries on the recommendations on friends and family and found them lacking.. The 'gray area' exists for all of us because we are individuals with our own levels of expectations of life and all it has to offer.
 


Comments by BRTScam on 09/02/08, 9:13 pm

SidtheKid said:
“BRT,
The point Bono and I were both making is that spiritual enlightenment doesn't come with a price tag.. Regardless of his status as a popular singer, that observation should ring true for anyone who seeks a higher purpose in this life..”
 
BRTScam said:
Understood. But remember that many are brought in to the COS not because it is a religion, but other things. Most are brought in because of the self-help, better health, and all the rest of COS guises.
 
SidtheKid said:
“I have seen the complete Beghe interview.. Nothing I didn't already know or surmise about the COS...”
 
BRTScam said:
Just curious, where and why did you learn all about COS? Most people, similar to myself did not know much about COS. Of course this made me a “mark”.
 
SidtheKid said:
“I haven't posted a review on Dr. Berg yet because my treatment is not complete and I certainly have a lot more flexibility and a lot less pain on a daily basis so I'd say there's more than 'masking' going on here -- Again, that's only in my case..”
 
BRTScam said:
Understand.
 
SidtheKid said:
“Direct application of pressure on the injured areas helps release the pain much like massage therapy or accupuncture (which I also receive from time to time - Access the pain and you begin to release the pain as my massage therapists have explained).. I can't speak for other patients nor would attempt to..”
 
BRTScam said:
I am more interested in the detailed theory. When pressing it does what to whatever to the tissue, nerves… What is happening on the molecular level? All the descriptions I have read about acupuncture/acupressure have been very metaphysically oriented. “The pressure releases the life force…” I realize that you may not know, I would assume that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC does not know also. Since most of this snake oil treatments are “cause and effect” in nature and no one has analyzed the “theory”.
 
SidtheKid said:
“Multi-level certainly does cover the COS marketing approach.. The more bodies you get in the door and paying dues (donations) they generate, the more money that gets kicked upstairs, level by level.. “
 
BRTScam said:
Understood. But what we see now is that there is less “raw meat” entering the COS. Most of the money comes from their ancillary endeavors such as Narconon and major celebrity donations like Nancy Cartwright and TC.
 
http://www.narconon.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Cartwright_(actress)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_to_Happiness
 
SidtheKid said:
“Finally, Dr. Berg hasn't mentioned anything remotely to do with COS, LRH, Dianetics to me.. I can only judge him by what I've witnessed and experienced. As far as I can tell, he runs a legit business...”
 
BRTScam said:
I suspect that he only exposes those that are thought to be easily persuaded. You, on the other hand seem to be more knowledgeable of both sides of the coin… (That was a compliment)
 
SidtheKid said:
“The last time I checked, America was founded on the principle of freedom of religion and he is free to practice his religion as he sees fit.. If he encroaches on the rights of others beyond the shadow of doubt then - - and only then, does it become a problem... If my general practitioner started handing me Catholic tracts, it would most likely bother me and I'd look for someone else..”
 
BRTScam said:
I totally agree. When I was asked to perform the “Purif” I was not told anything about the association to Scientology or LRH. The sales pitch was totally about improving my health. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE HWC ENCROAHED ON MY RIGHTS. Also, I am not impeding Dr. Eric E. Berg’s ability to practice his religion (unless his religion is to con as many people into the religion as possible). Freedom of speech allows me to criticize his religion.
 
SidtheKid said:
“The scorecard is just a forum to me.. I seriously doubt anyone chooses a doctor based on the ratings (& ravings of a single website -- this one in particular)... Like the commercial says: 'your results may vary'.. I've gone to five-star eateries on the recommendations on friends and family and found them lacking.. The 'gray area' exists for all of us because we are individuals with our own levels of expectations of life and all it has to offer.”
 
BRTScam said:
I agree. I can’t imagine that this site will have any impact on his practice. I suspect that few that are looking for a practitioner such as Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC are not using the web as a filter. I am surprised that there are those commenting here complaining about these comments being unfair… But keep in mind that taste preference at a restaurant is different than healthcare at HWC. The restaurant is regulated for health reasons so we do not get sick but there is no regulation for taste. The HWC is regulated to help prevent snake oil practitioners from taking advantage of people. The HWC is held to a standard and recommending the “Purif” violates that standard.


Comments by SidtheKid on 09/04/08, 6:29 pm

BRT,
Sorry to hear of your experience at the HWC.. I will certainly keep my eyes & ears open from this point on.. Good points all.. I read Dianetics from the local library way back in the day when the book was all over the late-night TV ads.. Interesting concepts but I wasn't buying into the spiritual aspects.. I am a student of various religions but what fascinates me about COS is that some very intelligent people get caught up in it.. Dr. Berg seems most intelligent and devoted to his studies in health and nutrition and yet when I read about the stuff these COS members believe, I wonder how they can justify it.. I suspect there's more than a little bit of hubris going on.. If I spent way too much on my new car, I'd probably defend that purchase to the hilt for fear of admitting my actual fiscal foolishness.. By comparison, if I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on pseudo-religion, I guess I'd try to justify that as well.. People have a hard time 'fessing up to stupidity and bad mistakes and perhaps COS thrives on that very human flaw.. Good chatting with you BRT..


Comments by HWCRookie on 09/17/08, 12:42 pm

I love the exchange between BRT and SidtheKid.  Both your points are valid and draw a complete bigger picture for me.  I am going through HWC currently and I will be vigilant as to not let anyone prey on my trait to be easily persuaded (God knows I already got sucked in to one cult and got out of it, don't need to get into another.) 

I have many small health problems going into HWC. I have to say it has already helped me with better eating habits and I absolutely believe combined with accupressure treatments, is the reason I feel overall BETTER (more well).  But I will stop if and when I am offered spiritual purification services, that's not the reason I went in there.


Comments by BRTScam on 09/24/08, 7:58 pm

HWCRookie said:
“I love the exchange between BRT and SidtheKid.  Both your points are valid and draw a complete bigger picture for me.”
 
BRTScam said:
I am glad that you have benefited from our exchange. It is a pity that Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC chooses to not engage in these conversations. I would love to hear his reasons to recommend the Scientology Purification Rundown.
 
HWCRookie said:
“I am going through HWC currently and I will be vigilant as to not let anyone prey on my trait to be easily persuaded (God knows I already got sucked in to one cult and got out of it, don't need to get into another.)”
 
BRTScam said:
I think that is a good idea to be vigilant. I would not admit that you could easily be persuaded as Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC most likely monitors this doctorscorecard. I would also keep notes about things that you may experience worth noting. A lawyer would love to have a time-line commentary of your experience if the need arises. I would record everything especially anything about the hired help. The regular entry will also help you to detect when you are being manipulated. Question everything you experience. If you experience illegal or unethical behavior you may want to report it to VA Department of Health Professionals:
 
Complaints may be submitted to the Enforcement Division in writing, by telephone, fax, email, in person, or anonymously.

Virginia Department of Health Professions
Perimeter Center
9960 Mayland Drive, Suite 300
Richmond, VA 23233-1463

Telephone: 1-800-533-1560 or (804) 367-4691
Fax: (804) 527-4424
 
HWCRookie said:
”I have many small health problems going into HWC. I have to say it has already helped me with better eating habits and I absolutely believe combined with accupressure treatments, is the reason I feel overall BETTER (more well).”
 
BRTScam said:
I think it is great that you feel better. Some of the HWC recommendations about eating habits will help you. I have yet to see and acceptable clinical trials that indicate that acupuncture or acupressure help anyone. You are probably experiencing a placebo effect along with general health improvement from better eating habits. Also keep in mind that not all of the HWC’s recommendations for your eating habits are good. The HWC, due to the nature of chiropractic perspective, ignores some of the important health issues that the AMA has scientifically determined. Do keep your regular doctor and get regular physicals and check-ups. To learn more about the chiropractic profession that chiropractors don’t want you to know about, check out Chirotalk:
 
HWCRookie said:
“But I will stop if and when I am offered spiritual purification services, that's not the reason I went in there.”
 
BRTScam said:
Sounds like a plan… I would recommend reporting any recommendation by the HWC for religious services to the Virginia Department of Health Professions (indicated above) especially the “Purif” since it is so medically dangerous:
 
“In almost every single case, Hubbard recommends dosages well above the safe limits, in some cases as much as 142 times more than the toxic level. The side effects of such huge overdoses range from liver damage, hair loss, brain swelling and nausea up to fatal heart and respiratory failure.”
 
 
BTW, Anonymous will most likely start protesting the COS Alexandria Mission in the future if they not already have, so look out for them. They will be young adults with masks and are very nice and peaceful. If you see them, stop and say hello and get a piece of cake (they usually have cake). If they are handing out fliers, get one and read all about what they stand for and are about:
 
Anonymous can always use a donation, you can pitch-in here:
 

Comments by ANGELINA on 02/28/09, 9:52 am

HELLO ALL,

PLEASE JUST TAKE THIS ADVICE TO ALL WHO WANTS TO GO TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS. FIRST OF ALL IF YOUR READ THE BOOK AND FOLLOW THE REGIM YOU WILL BE FINE THATS ALL YOU NEED!!!!!!!!! DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRST ASK FOR A FEW FREE TREATMENTS  AND IF HE AGREES THEN HIS METHODS SHOULD BE PROVEN TRUE BUT IF HE KEEPS PUSHING PACKAGES TO YOU THEN ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY. AND PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE SURE HE SEE'S YOU FOR AT LEAST 3-5 VISITS AFTER SPENDING THOUSANDS. BECAUSE AFTER HE GETS YOUR MONEY HE PASSES YOU OFF TO MASSAGE THERAPIST AND REALLY DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE PATIENT! TRUST ME AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE HE HAS MADE IT ABUDENTLY CLEAR THAT HIS NUMBER 1 CONCERN IS MAKING MONEY, NOT HELPING PATIENTS!!!! AND YES HE IS SCIENTOLIGIST WHO IS REALLY SMART ABOUT HOW TO MANIPULATE YOU. SO TAKE MY ADVICE THINK TWICE!!!! DO YOUR RESEARCH AND REALLY SEE IF HE TAKES THE TIME TO MEET WITH YOU MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE. 

PS EVER WONDER WHY HE ONLY SEES NEW PATIENTS AND ONCE YOUR MONEY IS IN HIS WALLET HE REALLY CAN'T  HELP YOU...TSK, TSK!

 IN THIS ECONOMY I HOPE THIS HELPS A FEW OF US WHO NEED TO REALIZE WHAT HE CAN DO YOU CAN READ HIS BOOK AND FOLLOW AT HOME FOR LESS THAN A FEW THOUSAND. 

WATCH OUT!!!! 


Comments by BRTScam on 02/28/09, 9:52 pm

Angelina,
 
You may want to turn your caps lock off, makes your posts hard to read.
 
Angelina said:
“HELLO ALL,
 
PLEASE JUST TAKE THIS ADVICE TO ALL WHO WANTS TO GO TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS. FIRST OF ALL IF YOUR READ THE BOOK AND FOLLOW THE REGIM YOU WILL BE FINE THATS ALL YOU NEED!!!!!!!!! DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY RIGHT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
 
BRTScam Said:
Do you really think that his book is any good? I realize that some of his recommendations are valid for better health but can he really be trusted to improve your health?
 
Angelina said:
“FIRST ASK FOR A FEW FREE TREATMENTS  AND IF HE AGREES THEN HIS METHODS SHOULD BE PROVEN TRUE BUT IF HE KEEPS PUSHING PACKAGES TO YOU THEN ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY. AND PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE SURE HE SEE'S YOU FOR AT LEAST 3-5 VISITS AFTER SPENDING THOUSANDS. BECAUSE AFTER HE GETS YOUR MONEY HE PASSES YOU OFF TO MASSAGE THERAPIST AND REALLY DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE PATIENT!”
 
BRTScam said:
$cientologist!
 
Angelina said:
“TRUST ME AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE HE HAS MADE IT ABUDENTLY CLEAR THAT HIS NUMBER 1 CONCERN IS MAKING MONEY, NOT HELPING PATIENTS!!!!”
 
BRTScam said:
I noticed a post from another ex-employee (bubbaloo92) on Chirotalk:

http://chirotalk.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=treatment&action=display&thread=246&page=3

Angelina said:
“AND YES HE IS SCIENTOLIGIST WHO IS REALLY SMART ABOUT HOW TO MANIPULATE YOU. SO TAKE MY ADVICE THINK TWICE!!!! DO YOUR RESEARCH AND REALLY SEE IF HE TAKES THE TIME TO MEET WITH YOU MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE.”
 
BRTScam said:
Were you required to take Scientology courses? Were they part of W.I.S.E. or actual Scientology courses?
 
How often did Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC (and/or his doctors) recommend Scientology courses (including the unsafe Purification Rundown) to his patients?
 
Angelina said:
“PS EVER WONDER WHY HE ONLY SEES NEW PATIENTS AND ONCE YOUR MONEY IS IN HIS WALLET HE REALLY CAN'T  HELP YOU...TSK, TSK!
 
 IN THIS ECONOMY I HOPE THIS HELPS A FEW OF US WHO NEED TO REALIZE WHAT HE CAN DO YOU CAN READ HIS BOOK AND FOLLOW AT HOME FOR LESS THAN A FEW THOUSAND. 
 
WATCH OUT!!!!”
 
BRTScam said:
Wouldn’t be best if everybody stayed away from Dr. Eric E. Berg, DC?
 


Comments by Ananymous on 05/24/09, 9:55 pm

Boy, Dr. Berg must really be doing well to attract such attention from a few nuts such as BRTScam and associates. 

I have read some of the comments about Scientology being 'secret'.  There is nothing that I know of that is 'secret' about Scientology.  The Vatican is probably much more 'secret'.  Do you know anything at all about the 'secret' meetings that go on at the Vatican?  BRTScam seems to have a lot of 'secrets'.  BRTScam's answers to a lot of questions have been: it's none of your business.

In any case, there is much data on the legitimate Scientology website www.scientology.org.  No secrets there.  In addition, Scientology books are available in practically any library or at any major bookstore.  There are obvious anti-Scientology luntics such as BRTScam who have ranted on this website.  I point out BRTScam simply because of the volume of junk posted and links to other lunitics' websites, including wikepeida which has much data authored by Scientology critics rather than authentic Scientology data.  Go to the authentic Scientology website if you want to get the truth about Scientology. 
 


Comments by Ananymous on 05/24/09, 9:55 pm

Boy, Dr. Berg must really be doing well to attract such attention from a few nuts such as BRTScam and associates. 

I have read some of the comments about Scientology being 'secret'.  There is nothing that I know of that is 'secret' about Scientology.  The Vatican is probably much more 'secret'.  Do you know anything at all about the 'secret' meetings that go on at the Vatican?  BRTScam seems to have a lot of 'secrets'.  BRTScam's answers to a lot of questions have been: it's none of your business.

In any case, there is much data on the legitimate Scientology website www.scientology.org.  No secrets there.  In addition, Scientology books are available in practically any library or at any major bookstore.  There are obvious anti-Scientology luntics such as BRTScam who have ranted on this website.  I point out BRTScam simply because of the volume of junk posted and links to other lunitics' websites, including wikepeida which has much data authored by Scientology critics rather than authentic Scientology data.  Go to the authentic Scientology website if you want to get the truth about Scientology. 
 


Comments by Responder on 10/08/09, 6:18 pm

Something that might answer a couple of questions about why so many people get rooked into thinking everything is so great about this kind of help:
Acupuncture/acupressure techniques have been scientifically shown to irritate the body into producing levels of endorphins.  It is these endorphins that make everything feel SOOOO much better.  In fact, the physiological issues remain, the patient just FEELS soooo much better.  This is akin to the runner's high (a euphoric feeling that runners feel that allow them to run long distances without feeling the discomfort of the pounding that their bodies are taking.  Same with other athletes.)  It is, in fact, like taking a feel-good drug except that it is produced by your own body as a result of nerve centers (pressure 'points') being manipulated.  So, do you just want to feel like you are getting better and that everything is great?  Or do you want to actually get better from your problem?  Maybe people who feel really good (see the definition of euphoria) are able to lose weight because they aren't feeling the emotions that make them want to eat. 
BUT!!!!!  the constant production of endorphins in the body can burn a body out!  This is not helping you in the long run!  Perhaps if one is terminally ill with no hope of actual recovery then one should explore this way of feeling better.  But if you are otherwise healthy except for your weight, PLEASE don't wear out your body like this, especially at the hands of someone who seems to have such a questionable reputation.  BTW, it takes alot for the board of medicine to reprimand someone.  Don't dismiss these things as not consequential.  This is your good health that you are letting someone else tinker with.  Be very careful not to let others use you.


Comments by Lost on 11/16/09, 10:36 am

I have watched my mother spend not hundreds but thousands of dollars on this 'service'.  Watched her stuff dozens of pills, vitamins and then being talked into coming not once a month, or once a week but daily doctor visits now.  After YEARS of this she is being told that now since the 'Dr.' visits are NOT helping then she should look into Scientology.  So now she is pouring money into 'Scientology'.  I wonder if he gets a referral fee for that service?    After all of these treatments... after all of these pills, she sleeps 3-4 hours instead of 2?  She needs more Vitamin D and B???  Somebody honestly help my mother without emptying her wallet. 

Humans need interaction, touch so when we go to a doctor who promises us that we will feel good and they touch us here or there when there is a lack of human touch to begin with... well we feel great but its not fixing the problem.  The problem is still there. 

They are taking advantage of those who are lost, depressed, sick and desperate.    Those who think the answer is in a pill form, or the twist of a muscle or release of a knot, or even an organization that claims to be a religion which is bogus. 

You can't find your happiness in the bible, or scientology books, or any other church.  Its momentary and supportive but you still have to go home and live with yourself.   The peace and serenity you need is within yourself.  Your faith is not in a book but within yourself and you shouldn't have to pay thousands of dollars to find enlightenment or faith.   
Are you lost?  Want to feel like a million bucks, it will cost you a million bucks.  I am so sick of seeing this... 

Never in my life could I imagine that someone who uses the title Dr.  would take advantage of a someone. 

This is isn't the first doctor either... the original doctor retired and took her practice to the Bahamas... imagine that...  It's a lucrative business.  






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